my brain hurts........ I am only looking in from the outside, and i couldn't be bothered to read all 22 pages of posts. until this morning i have never given perceptual motion machines / free energy any consideration what so ever. I freely admit, i cant get my head around some of these machines, this is just my logical input. all the calculations that follow are just the most basis engineering principles, all from memory, so i might even have equations incorrect. The simplest view on the wheel to me, is that the majority of the mass's on the right hand side of the wheel are further away from the central pivot point then on the left hand side of the wheel. creating a difference in moments which then result in a output torque. A torque and a speed produce a power. the speed of the wheel for this example i have used from the video and counted the revolutions in a set time to give me 25rpm. PERFECT we are generating .04kW for doing nothing???? but are we???? now what i am struggling to get my head over is what energy is required to move each pair of the mass (6kg) by 50mm to create the offset in toque. as the wheel spins centripetal force will be trying to keep the Mass to the outside of the wheel, but somehow we overcome this centripetal force. now for simplicity i have assumed the energy required to move the weights to the center is done by lifting them up against gravity, like it appears to be done from my "Area of concern". once again basic physics principles, potential energy = mgh In my basic understanding with no dimensions i would assume that a perceptual motion machine of this style wont be able to generate any free / extra power. I would view this system as a flywheel and a flywheel only. when a flywheel is up to speed, it takes little to no power to keep it spinning, so all the power from the inverter can then carry on to the lights.