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    Discussion in 'The Leisure Lounge' started by Paul T, Oct 21, 2012.

    1. Mark_Armstrong

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      "Tesla wrote in the US Patent 1,061,206 Turbine that the machine would make explosions."

      If you think he did, provide the text where he said that. I bet you can't. Because I bet he didn't.


      "I've never seen this happen yet but I know it is possible with enough surface area."

      No, you won't. Because it isn't.


      "Is an explosion in partial vacuum an implosion?"

      No, it isn't. At least no more than an exterior can be an interior. Or the external can be the internal.

      Anyhow, I think we have exhausted the Tesla Turbine. It's time for you to set that aside and move on to the next Sure Thing.

      I suggest Ley Line Generators.
       
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    3. Mark_Armstrong

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      Decided to go read US Patent 1,061,206.

      Regarding "...the machine would make explosions".

      Paul T is, once again, either wildly misunderstanding what he reads or is straight up lying.

      The patent can be found here: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1061206.pdf

      For the single use of the word 'explosion' in the patent, ref the third page of the text and the paragraph beginning on line 71.
       
    4. s.weinberg

      s.weinberg Well-Known Member EngineeringClicks Expert

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      STOP FACT CHECKING! That is what the oil companies want you to do, and is NOT how progress is made! Darn it!
       
    5. Paul T

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      Very soon you will see the pinnacle of my research so far.

      This is how you harness nature via open system thermodynamics using vortexes harnessing centripetal and centrifugal force.

      The fluid takes the line of least resistance so the spiral path becomes very long which increases the velocity of the fluid. The fluid is continuously imparting energy to the rotor via centripetal whilst the other rotor is imparting energy to the fluid and vise versa.

      The rotors are geared. Transmitter and receiver. They are both transmitters and receivers in this configuration.

      This is the answer we have all searched so hard for. This is Tesla's "Self-Acting Engine".

      I wish I had two balanced rotors right now so I could show you!

      It won't be long though!
       
    6. s.weinberg

      s.weinberg Well-Known Member EngineeringClicks Expert

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      Let's break down that gibberish, shall we?

      "This is how you harness nature via open system thermodynamics..."
      'Open system thermodynamics' simply means that you haven't captured the entire system in your model. It's not magic, its incompleteness.

      " using vortexes harnessing centripetal and centrifugal force.

      The fluid takes the line of least resistance so the spiral path becomes very long which increases the velocity of the fluid."


      vague enough that it doesn't have much meaning to analyze.

      "The fluid is continuously imparting energy to the rotor via centripetal whilst the other rotor is imparting energy to the fluid and vise versa."

      Well, yeah (using 'energy' imprecisely anyway). Action and reaction. Except that they're imparting this 'energy' in opposite directions.

      "The rotors are geared. Transmitter and receiver. They are both transmitters and receivers in this configuration."

      Gearing helps you not at all. I'm assuming from the description that the gearing is 1:1, so all you're doing is adding friction to the system, and drag on whichever is running faster from the one that is running slower.

      "This is the answer we have all searched so hard for. "

      No one serious has been searching for this answer.

      "This is Tesla's "Self-Acting Engine"."

      Nope.
       
    7. Mark_Armstrong

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      You left out the implosions...

      Still I have a hard time not thinking that Paul is simply trolling and cannot really be this incapable of learning these things...
       
    8. s.weinberg

      s.weinberg Well-Known Member EngineeringClicks Expert

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      That would be some expensive trolling. He's 3D printing some relatively large parts on relatively decent machines.

      OTOH, I would not be at all surprised if he has a bunch of supporters who don't know any better sending him cash.
       
    9. Paul T

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      I'm completely self funded so far. My research partner just attended a conference in Washington. We have almost 20 interested investors from the prototypes we displayed. These men are ranging from enthusiasts to doctors and engineers with multiple degrees.

      It is my fault I haven't explained this technology very well because I didn't 100% understand it myself.

      I'm getting there slowly.

      Thank you for listening so far and playing devils advocates.


      Tesla's machine doesn't operate how any of us would expect!

      It has taken some very deep research, study, meditation and many experiments to understand this.

      It is now my job to explain it in layman's terms.


      Piston engines are vacuum / compression explosion engines.

      Nikola Tesla's machine using turbine and pump is a vacuum / decompression implosion engine.

      Instead of having strokes it has stages.

      US Patent 1,061,206 Turbine

      "In order to bring out a distinctive feature, assume, in the first place, that the motive medium is admitted to the disk chamber through a port, that is a channel which it traverses with nearly uniform velocity."

      Interesting word "admitted". The motive medium is allowed in!

      Where does Nikola Tesla ever say to use compressed air or hot steam in his turbine patent?

      The leading Tesla turbine engineers have been building Tesla turbines commercially for over 10 years. The largest power station I've seen using hot steam is 10MW in USA. The company Pyrogen actually sells power stations.

      I am in contact with two of the owners Frank Germano and Bill Helton who are massive Nikola Tesla fans.

      http://pyrogeninc.com/

      Centrifugal pumps have been around for longer than any of us and apparently the only place Tesla's design using flat discs is used, is in the oil industry. Maybe someone can expand on that.

      Nikola Tesla's Thermodynamic Transformer

      The machine runs from the partial vacuum made from the pump creating a negative pressure and atmospheric pressure seeking lower pressure copying the wheel work of nature.

      The atmospheric air enters the turbine through a port and also a diverging nozzle. The vacuum is enhanced by the diverging (de leval) nozzle and when a vacuum of 28.5inches of mercury (-14psi) is reached it causes the water vapour in the air to atomise as it turns into "cold steam".

      The high viscosity of the "cold steam" is what propels the pump, which in turn creates more even more vacuum.

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      Watch the experiment from 1:50 - 3:15




      As many of you will know the Tesla turbine and pump use the properties of adhesion and viscosity to turn the rotors.

      Water is 50 times as viscous as air.

      Cold steam is even more viscous! 1.75 times at the right temperature!

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      So the turbine rotor gets speed from the diverging nozzle and torque from the port.

      The different air paths loose their energy to the rotor in different ways,.

      The US Patent 1,061,206 "The undeniable fact is that the machine does operate, both expansively and impulsively."

      I have a lot more information about this subject.

      Try and wrap your head around this first.

      Any questions I would be happy to try and answer them.


      Here is my latest video (warning has bad language and a verbal link to the work of Bruce Lipton).

      The video shows the pump running the turbine. The 1/2" BSP 5% diverging nozzle and 3mm port ensure there is very poor flow through the pump.

      Thermodynamic Transformer v0.3 with have 1" BSP 40% diverging nozzle and 1" BSP port to make very good flow and the air hit the turbine rotor much harder and faster.

      The new prototype will also feature my blueprinted 420htp rotor with sharpened discs. The 316 discs were 0.8mm. The new ones have been bevel ground sharp from 0.8 to 0.3mm from the tips of the star washers. The grade 5 titanium 100% symmetrical axle is ground to 10 micron tolerances.

      We measure the parallelism of the discs to be 1 micron.

      This improves the condensing of the turbine as the steam plant is all in two machines now!

      This is from the inventor who gave us AC and abandoned AC experiments in 1898.

      The Thermodynamic Transformer was Nikola Tesla's final offering in terms of power generation. His first ever offering was a partnership with Westinghouse to build the power station generators to be run by Niagra Falls!

      The goal to provide clean, inexhaustible energy never swayed into the realms of planned obsolescence. The desire got stronger and completely refined.

      I have at least 20 years of his research completely dedicated to this machine!

      The things it can do are unimaginable!

       
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