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    Discussion in 'The Leisure Lounge' started by 2fprototypes, May 13, 2020.

    1. 2fprototypes

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      CNC processing is a basic manufacturing method in the modern industry. Many industrial sectors require the CNC to process the components or produce products. At present the biggest issue for the US is the manufacturing no longer existed here. They have been moved to China, Vietnam, India, and other developing countries a long time ago. Although President Trump promises to make the US great again and swear to bring back those manufacturing, it is still a long time for US to wait.

      One thing is confirmed that more industries moved back, more orders American CNC factories will get. But when all the industries moved back to the US one day, does American manufacturing has fully prepared for that? Can American workers work very hard like the Chinese workers or Vietnam Workers or India Workers? It is not the competition for labor costs. All the American workers can live a good middle-class life. American workers won’t compete with them for cheap. But the capitalist always thinks about profit and working efficiency. If you really ever watched the movie <<American Factories>>. You will know the big culture gap between the US and China. Maybe that is also the reason why many low-end and middle-end industries move to China and other third world countries since the beginning of globalization in 2000. I can tell you an example maybe some of you guys know it already. When Apple want to move back some of their supply chains to the US. The biggest embarrassing thing is they even can not find a good supplier to produce the tiny locking screws on the iPhone. And the production capacity of local screw makers is too limited. Just like this pandemic when need more PPE like face mask, face shield, gown, gloves, etc. They suddenly discovered that they even can not make this simple product in the US. Lack of the mask making machine and need to import the materials from China. So I think one day when all the manufacturing shifted back to the US. Can the American manufacturers really prepare for that? I have to ask this. Building a complete supplying chain needs to take a long time. China takes 40 years to achieve that goal and Chinese people are very laborious. Maybe in your eyes that China dis-respect for democracy and have no human right. But could Americans achieve that goal in 10 years or even 5 years?

      I don’t want to blame anyone. I post this thread because I really get shocked by an incident. I have a customer who has an automotive component prototype and medical equipment prototype. During this Epidemic period, all the nearby factories and workshops are shut down. So he has to seek overseas help. He tried to find some suppliers in China. The surprising thing is not only they can find many companies in China, but also most of them are small companies, like 2fprototypes, only 100 employees here. We can handle CNC / Plastic Injection / Vaccum Casting /3D Printing / Stamping Die etc. Our system integration and engineering analysis ability is really great. What’s more that our salesman can take care of the business at the weekend. No matter whenever the customer call or E-mail them, We try our best to reply promptly. I want to ask which American company can do so? Rome is not built in one day. America is a great country. It win the World War-1 and World War-2. Defeat the Soviet Empire during the Cold War and kill the Japanese Economic Power in the 1980s. US is still the leader in scientific innovation and still have a powerful military force on this planet. I think US can win this competition or war against China. But the question is whether Americans can sacrifice more and make more efforts to make the countries great again.
       
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    3. donigoal

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      s.weinberg Well-Known Member EngineeringClicks Expert

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      Who is 'we', Kemosabe? If you want to pretend to not be Chinese, you might want to change your name and avatar...

      As far as Apple, that story is basically massive spin. Getting screws in America isn't a problem. The issue is that their contractor screwed up and hired a tiny little shop that they had used in the past for some prototypes to try producing large quantities with not enough lead time and basically no support.

      America can't flip a switch and take over Chinese manufacturing in a day. China didn't do that either. They started small and built up.

      It's possible that there are large chunks that may never make sense to move back, given still lower wages in China, and cultural differences.

      But there's already plenty that makes sense to reshore. You certainly CAN get high quality stuff from China for unbeatable prices, but the quality portion can be a headache, even with the best companies. It's a culture issue the other way. Shipping, especially with customs concerns, is another headache that can be avoided.
       
    6. 2fprototypes

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      Thanks for your pertinent comment. Parts of Chinese companies or factories have moved on the target of quality, but still at a more competitive price. I think both the governments will try to solve the customs concerns in the future. It will take time for transition to a better trade environment.

      Thanks
      2fprototypes
       

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